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The Canadian Transportation Agency (CTA) has ordered Air Transat to explain why passengers were driven to call 911 for help as they sat in packed aircraft for up to six hours on a hot afternoon and evening in Ottawa. (www.avweb.com) Plus d'info...

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wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 15
One point worth mentioning is the fact that Air Transat squeezes in 9 seats across on their A330ies instead of the usual 8, adding to the misery in this situation.
DavidWikle
David Wikle 1
Wow....that's got to be horrible!
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 6
It is. I suffered enough on a 5 hour flight, will not use them again.

Imagine a transatlantic flight!
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 6
No Wolfgang you dont want to imagine the transatlantic nightmare, err tin can flight..got off the Spain bound flight and was crippled up for 2 days
randallkimm
Randall Kimm 5
These guys have pulled some lucky stunts...like the time they failed to detect a leak to keep the aircraft fuel load balanced. Air TransAt was lucky giving their paying passengers a free glider ride across the Atlantic to make a landing in the Azores. Avoid these clowns at all costs. One day these people won't be so lucky. One day I hope never comes, these guys are just an accident waiting to happen.
honzanl
honza nl 0
imagine then the 777X in which Boeing plans 9 seats across (of only 17.5") !
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 5
Would that be Boeing's plan, or instructions from the company ordering that particular seating arrangement? Just curious.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
It would first start with Boeing...if both outside rows arent wide enough for a triple seat, even at 17.5", then they couldnt go in
Yukishau
Shaun S 2
Boeing builds the airplane. Customers spec out seating requirements. 2 seats, 4 seats, 10 seats, 20 seats........thats up to the customer
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 4
Yes but if the area for the outer seats allocation isnt designed for a triple seat, it cant be put in..Boeing not only builds the craft but engineers them...yes customers spec out the seats but only to a certain point..if the outer isle seat allocation allowance is only 52 inches total, you can't go jamming 80" in there...there are minimum seat width requirements as well...Boeing is planning for airlines to want to put in triple seats on the outside so the craft has been engineered to allow it..and no, you cant just go throwing in seats all wily nily.
f4fntm
john doe 1
Point taken.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum -1
Yeah, thx. That's what I had thought.
PlainSpeaking
Brent Bahler 12
Passengers would likely have gotten quicker results had they begun calling the local TV stations and newspapers. Imagine how quickly the airline would have responded with hordes of camera crews and photographers capturing the scene for all to see.
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 9
Great Idea! The passengers would have been overloaded with Pizza, Sandwiches, and Water!
Y2KRene
Rene Kunz 3
Great Idea? With the most likely (non serviced) overflowing lavatories after 13 hours air/ground time?
SoNic67
SoNic67 10
Cases like this prompted in US adoption of tighter rules for internal flights.
"Three hours. Under a new federal law that went into effect April 29, 2010, that is the longest you will ever spend stranded on a plane without food, water or the ability simply to get off the plane.
The morning I am writing this, the Department of Transportation put into effect what many travelers and industry folks call an airline passenger rights bill. Among several other new rules, airlines must now provide snacks and “potable” (drinkable) water, as well as a clean lavatory, to passengers who are stranded for more than two hours; passengers stranded for more than three hours must be offered an opportunity to get off the plane. Failure to comply will result in monetary compensation to the affected travelers as well as stiff fines due the government."
https://www.smartertravel.com/2017/06/19/airline-passengers-get-new-bill-rights/
jbqwik
jbqwik 5
it's a good start. Long way to go.
gerardogodoy
gerardo godoy -1
Ha! thus rule will never be applied by the worst carriers in the whole world. The American commercial club.
DarrylLyons
Darryl Lyons 6
If we assume that Transat does not have a ground handling contract in Ottawa then they would be obligated to pay an hourly rate for an Air Conditioning truck and have potable water boarded through another airline. My guess is that they simply didn't want to pay the extra cost.
Forensics1
Forensics1 5
What did the 911 folks do? Does anyone know?
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 8
Can't help but wonder why they didn't simply dispatch ground transportation from plane to terminal.
flyingcarp
bill carpenter 12
No water, no fuel, no AC, passengers in distress. Lucky for airline passengers only called 911.
Scjemail44
Sam Johnson 0
No water, no fuel, no AC will eventually end in no passengers. Wake up management. It is time you put yourself in your customers' position and ignored the bottom line in these types of instances. It will pay off in the long run. Or are you the type who can only see to the end of the day?
Hbrotate
Harold Burton 5
What is wrong with greedy airlines and aircraft manufacturers. People get bigger and seats and space get smaller!
shootandfly
Bernhard Reimer 2
The future of private jets looks brighter all the time.
TomController
Tom Wright 1
Most seem to forget all international flights require Immigration & Custom service before passengers are allowed to deplane. During the 9/11 event passengers waited 3-4hrs before deplaning. I believe servicing a situation like this would be in effect be the so called de-sterilizing of the plane as required by Customs & Immigration.

What Air Transat did was inhumane no doubt about it, most because of costs.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
Air Transat is blaming Ottawa airport for their latest fiasco, and yet it is amazing how other airlines were able to get their craft refuelled...if you don't ask, they shall not come.
Sorry Scare Transat, but I'm more apt to believe Ottawa airport's side of the story than yours...1 craft and I might have leaned your way, but both the Rome and Brussels flights?..I'm leaning more to the Ottawa airport side of the issue that indeed the airport authority had been in contact with Transat's local ground handler crew and had items ready for passengers to depart/aircraft refuelled..the inquiry should be rather interesting especially with many former customers comments (hey Air Transat, can you say Azore's glider)
MartyC4
Martin Cooper 1
I'm thinking that we should have heard of 911 calls from passengers trapped on the tarmac before this. Maybe it happened, but the genie is out of the bottle. Airlines should be ready for more passengers dialing that number for help.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
I am all for getting the folks off but how do you round them up again? I think at Ottawa there are 15 or so gate positions and very little ramp parking and probably no airstairs so the only thing is to keep them on board. Fuel however should have been loaded to keep the apu running or an air conditioning cart used if available. This is where CYMX would have been better but again probably not enough security personnel. Where is the Westjet guy to order "pizza" when you need him?
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 10
7 hours from Brussels and then sit another 6 in that hot stuffed smelly cabin when the A/C quit?...Air Transat has made blunders before and this is another...maybe this will make Transport Canada and the CTA open their eyes and make long overdue rules instead of "voluntary" rules

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wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 1
Looks like we do need a very visible sarcasm font for people to understand it.
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
RECOR10
RECOR10 0
No kidding.
Bernie20910
Bernie Behling 1
Crap like this is another reason on a long list of reasons why I refuse to fly commercial any longer. Maybe it's time for the UN to draft an airline passengers bill of rights.
joelwiley
joel wiley 5
And maybe an airline industry bill of wrongs? Or just a litany of them, a 3 volume set. /s
jspokes
jspokes 4
Or go back to regulating airlines.
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 1
In a new development, Transat offers 400$ per passengers as show of goodwill and compassion.

Text in French:
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/201708/10/01-5123589-passagers-coinces-air-transat-offre-une-compensation-de-400-par-personne.php
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 0
What, do they have no Jet-A at Ottawa? Shutting down engines........????
jbqwik
jbqwik 9
Of course there's fuel. My guess? They didn't want to spend for it.
I wonder, if Trans CEO was aboard what scenario do you think would have played out then?
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 5
Probably the same way it happens to most when airline SNI's err CEO's are around..The nose gear would have done a partial retraction and then locked back into place...an aircraft "bow"....then fuel, food and water would have shown, all this happening as soon as they parked on the ramp.

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wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 7
I would rather suggest that the attitude you describe comes from there rightist laissez-faire government that do not want to require minimum standards to protect public health and safety.
Bernie20910
Bernie Behling -1
And I would suggest that it is a combination of the two. You have the self-centered left encouraging disobedience of laws that you don't like, and you have the libertarian-centric right that wants less governmental controls. This does not make for a viable, civilized society. Society needs reasonable regulation and protection of the individual and their liberties, but also their health & welfare. The key is that word "reasonable", and the impossibility of ever getting everyone in a society to agree on what actually is reasonable.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
Don't phrase all NA carriers into your comment...many carriers worldwide are just as bad if not worse....and as Wolfgang pointed out, you cant be breaking the law if there is no law to break...also why I mentioned earlier that Transport Canada and the CTA best get their asses in gear and adopt rules similar to other countries.
TomController
Tom Wright -1
Your wrong there, I can guarantee you Transport Canada follows the rules of ICAO (just like the FAA) so they already have their asses in gear.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 0
Transport Canada has to follow the rules of ICAO just like the FAA, but if you read what I said, there are other rules they can adopt similar to US and other countries, so Im not wrong...if their asses were in gear, incidents such as the Ottawa Air Transat flights wouldn't have occurred.

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