I shot clay birds years ago. Thousands of them. I never took part in a live pigeon shoot. As a matter of fact I thought people gave up that mideval activity a long time ago. Has anyone here ever been to a live bird shoot? If you had you'd know why they have to be held on "private" property. They are heinous, cruel, and completely unnecessary. I've been a hunter all my life and often disagree with the acts of animal activist groups, but in this case...shame on the live pigeon shooters!