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FAA demands that Boeing flight manuals give more detail on pilot emergency procedures

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Boeing, under intensifying regulatory scrutiny after the fatal MAX crashes, has been directed by the Federal Aviation Administration to rework its flight manuals for both the 777X and MAX 10 to include detailed emergency pilot procedures. (www.seattletimes.com) Plus d'info...

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dvbavcon
Dean Brossman 5
I think the point is that more crew training is the answer. Having procedures in place in the AFM is fine, but it is the crew that knows those procedures that will save you, not a crew that needs to read them.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -1
But 'training is expensive' is a mantra in many business and industries. I owned a company that serviced IT assets in corporate environments, and too many of those corporations refused to send their employees to vendor training, seeing it as a 'waste of money'.

Boeing's denial of the differences in the MAX was likely a play for the industry to not require them to have to have to spend more money for training, and how much do you train, and the idea that requiring more training for essentially a 'model update' would likely raise questions about what the changes are, and should the plane be classified as a more radical change, and require more testing and verification, a VERY expensive problem for Boeing, who hoped that a 'fast and cheap' redesign of the 737 would save their investors, and their own jobs. I'm sure that someone in the bowels of Boeing knew that if the problems with the MAX came out, the push to cancel it, and spend millions to design it to fly without the bandaid, would grow and cost Boeing their future.
ghstark
Greg S 3
It's now widely known that the primary motivation for the appalling MCAS design was specifically Boeing's contract terms with Southwest for the MAX. There's evidently a $1 million per aircraft rebate that goes back to Southwest if pilots require any retraining.

In an amazing irony, pilots at various regulatory agencies throughout the world who've flown the MAX since the grounding have suggested that MCAS was not needed anyway, the aircraft's handling characteristics with the new engines are not significantly different than the NG.

The fear of triggering the Southwest rebate so infected and percolated through Boeing management (including their test pilots) that it created a kind of tunnel vision, group-think mentality.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 6
I can see it now! Having trouble flying the aircraft Skipper? Wait till I get that 8 pound 600 page flight manual that tells me what I have to do. Memory QRH items, what are they? That Quickly Read Handbook that causes one to shut down the remaining operating engine? How about we start with both pilot's requiring Type ratings, 100 hours of line indoctrination and a final loft ride before being let loose? I mean we’re only talking hundreds of lives here!
Cleffer
Cleffer 1
All while doing -4000fpm....
btweston
btweston -3
What exactly is your point?
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -8
You are some kind of... Something...

The 'manual' is on a tablet, and can be searched for what issue you are experiencing.

Any why not require more training, and experience? It's too expensive! The previous administrations previous administration passed a requirement for more training for new pilots to be 'captains, and the next administration undid most of it. That's the problem in America. We don't have thinking adults that can rationalize, and realize what their decisions bring, so they come in, are ruthlessly pro-business, and tear down everything that the previous administration(s) did to ensure public safety, because what was public safety was there int he Wild Wild West? You had a bigger gun, or you died.

I'm wondering, now, with the dire need for more pilots, if there will be promotions and hires of pilots that shouldn't even be hauling cargo, and they will find themselves in the cockpit of a passenger carrier, and auger it into the ground because of inexperience. Oops...

Training is too expensive...
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 4
Tablets only confirm that the Memory items have been completed and then go on to complete the procedure. I guess you missed the analogy? Ask Boeing how much this has cost them lately and they probably would say “ we should have failed these guys in the first place?” Ask the airlines how much money this has cost them and they would have demanded higher proficiencies from their crews. Me, 15.500 hr. accident/incident free! …and you?
emkostiuk
Ed Kostiuk 3
I'm not sure if it could be done but I always enjoyed having that second officer in the cockpit during an emergency....me doing the shutdown (in this case) and him reading out procedures.

So, I'm wondering with the advancement of computer why not something like this: The computer tells you #2 engine has failed....the emergency is as following....voice saying #1....do this, #2....next step, #3 next step, #4 next step.

Maybe create an app we could download on our computer that would voice out the commands for various emergencies.

Just a thought from an old, bold and thank God alive Marine Pilot
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 0
I'm sure that the last thing I flight crew would want is more noise in the cockpit. With alarms going off, and whatever noise, including likely spoken word suggestions 'PULL UP! PULL UP! TERRAIN! TERRAIN!' and stick shakers and warning bells and buzzes, Nope.

But, the 737 MAX crashes show that computer direct intervention isn't really an adequate solution either. Well, perhaps computer intervention that takes into account the entire situation, and doesn't try to drive the plane into the ground.

If anything, I'd thing that there should be a switch that will silence all current warnings, and only allow new warnings to be enunciated. It could give like a 10 second timed respite from the cacophony in an emergency and give the pilots time to think. Just an idea...
punkrawk78
Silent Bob 1
If you read to the end of the article it says that in 2012 the FAA guidance was revised to “should be limited to the smallest practicable amount of material … that which is uniquely related to airplane safety or airworthiness.” In large part because airlines devise their own emergency procedures in line with the airplane flight manual. However since the FAA has no jurisdiction over foreign airlines they can’t verify that their procedures are adequate. So because both Max crashes were non US airlines and the feds and Boeing have much egg on their faces the FAA is now trying to act tough to (over)compensate.

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