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Indonesian Plane with 54 on board crashes in remote Indonesian region

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An Indonesian twin-turboprop aircraft carrying 54 people lost contact with air traffic control on Sunday in the remote, forested eastern Papua region, the National Search and Rescue Agency (BASARNAS) said, with search efforts hampered by failing light as night falls. (www.reuters.com) Plus d'info...

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akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 4
Sad , very sad.
Pray all's well !
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
Incident summary for IL267 / TGN267 -- http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20150816-0
scottieshea
scottieshea 1
There seems to be a lot of ATR crashes lately.....
2018paulrobbinx
Paul Robbins 4
Really there has been a lot of crashes in Asia in general, or from Asian carriers. Not trying to step on toes or anything, but facts are facts.
Quackers
Quackers 2
100% correct. This issue has been around for a long time. Lots of under regulated aircraft , safety standards not up to what they should be, corruption, and older planes taking many short flights (lots of stress on already aged airframes) in a less than ideal climate.
2018paulrobbinx
Paul Robbins 2
I completely agree. Also, they tend to have bad CRM due to cultural differences. Some, definitely not all, have bad stick and rudder skills, yet they understand systems very well.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Are organisations like FAA and NTSB created for Asians ? And who is keeping FAA and NTSB busy ? Asians ? I wonder !
Please do not bring racialism into technical and professional matters.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
Racial profiling ! Eh ? sic !
As if 'whites' don't cause crashes .
I know I'm stirring a hornet's nest, but check who's started .
2018paulrobbinx
Paul Robbins 2
Sir, I am not trying to be "racists," and I can easily agree that whites crash planes as well; in fact all peoples crash planes because of simple human error. Yet, there are certain things apart from the ones flying the planes that make Asian Carriers slightly more dangerous. For example in most of these countries is South East Asia, their aircraft are not properly regulated, so MROs can go below minimum standards without being reprimanded by anyone. Also, instead of blaming the people flying the planes it could be more correct to blame the people training the pilots. Like TransAsia Airways 235, the pilots shut down the good engine, so even if they were trained correctly that training did not set in very well which would be both the pilot and the trainers fault, yet random testing of TransAsia showed that 29 other pilots were inadequately trained so I would have to blame the CFI for this one, obviously. Also, some carriers, not all, but some use their aircraft that were designed for long haul low density flying for short haul high density flying for example JAL 123! So it's not the necessarily any single group of people, but it is the A. Regulation standards, B. The pilot training, and C the way they use their aircraft which are all things we could do in any other region or part of the world.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I would have to agree to a point. You cannot generalize these but when a group starts happening over a short period of time, out of a certain region of the world, you have to wonder. Yes, the U.S. 121's have had their share of woes lately but most have been minor incidents and not killing 50+ people at a whack. Regarding keeping the NTSB busy, most of the investigative announcements that have come forth lately have been non aviation issues such as rail or highway.
american1549
David Curtas 2
"Please do not bring racialism into technical and professional matters." What racism has been said? If I say I hate someone because they look different than me than that is racism, but if I say Asian carriers have a higher crash rate than western carriers because of their lack of training, cultural situation, etc than that is stating a fact. Also, even recently many commercial and commuter crashes have been from Asian carriers. Including Korean Air Cargo 8509 that crashed shortly after takeoff from London Stanstead. And surprisingly the crash was due to a very large lack of communication in the cockpit. As the pilots took off the captain's ADI malfunctioned and displayed incorrect attitude information. Although the F/O's ADI was working properly he did not say anything to the captain as it would've been deemed "disrespectful" to correct him. Hence forth resulting in the 747 crashing and killing all on board. Another instance is with China Air 006 in which the Boeing 747 lost complete control of it's elevators which caused the aircraft to make a very rapid descent of almost 30,000ft. In the end, the investigation found the pilots suffering jet lag in combination with multiple pilot errors. Now, I'm saying this not to sound racist at all, and I know good a well that hundreds if not thousands of crashes have occurred with western carriers as well. Now I hope you have a good day, and God bless you. Our passion is more dangerous than we think.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
This is a professional forum and unprofessional comments seem out of place !
And generalisation is one such category !
IMHO.
paviation07
sam kuminecz 1
I believe china has the china civil aviation authority, Korea and japan have similar FAA/NTSB like entities but I'm not sure if smaller islands like tonga or vanatu do...good question
preacher1
preacher1 1
One of the National News services, CBS I think, aid the money was recovered also.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
crispy notes
paviation07
sam kuminecz 0
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Trigana Air Service Plane Goes Missing Over Papua, Indonesia Says

Trigana Air Service Plane Goes Missing Over Papua, Indonesia Says

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trigana-air-service-plane-goes-missing-over-papua-indonesia-says-n410631
fldewey
mike moore 0
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Villagers saw Indonesian plane crash into mountain

Villagers saw Indonesian plane crash into mountain, officials say

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/16/asia/indonesia-missing-plane/index.html
margeauxk
Margeaux K 0
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Crashed Plane Was Carrying $470K in Cash

The twin turboprop plane that crashed into a mountainside yesterday in Indonesia's easternmost province of Papua was carrying almost half a million dollars in government cash in addition to 44 adult passengers, five children and infants, and five crew members, all Indonesian nationals, Reuters and the AP report.

http://www.newser.com/story/211428/crashed-plane-was-carrying-470k-in-cash.html
zainulp
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Trigana Flight 267 crashed in Papua

An ATR-42 turboprop aircraft operated by Indonesian Trigana Air Service has crashed over the remote region of Papua, while traversing through stormy weather conditions.

http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2015/08/trigana-flight-267-crashed-in-papua.html
margeauxk
Margeaux K 0
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No Survivors Found at Indonesia Crash Site

Dozens of rescuers have made their way to the mountainous area where an Indonesian passenger plane crashed on Sunday, but they haven't found anybody to rescue.

http://www.newser.com/story/211477/no-survivors-found-at-indonesia-crash-site.html
margeauxk
Margeaux K 0
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Wreckage of Missing Indonesia Plane Found

Wreckage of the Indonesian passenger plane that went missing today has been found, a transportation official tells Reuters, and early indications are that it crashed into a mountainside in remote terrain in eastern Papua.

http://www.newser.com/story/211397/wreckage-of-missing-indonesia-plane-found.html

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