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Canada Scraps Plan to Buy Boeing Fighter Jets Amid Trade Dispute With Bombardier
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada is scrapping a plan to buy 18 Boeing Co (BA.N) Super Hornet fighter jets amid a deepening dispute with the U.S. aerospace company, three sources familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. (www.reuters.com) Plus d'info...
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Not yet they still think they can tough it out. You will know they get the whole picture when you begin to see changes in their upper management on pressure from their Board.
We shouldn't be bothering with used Hornets. The government should just go straight to the order for a replacement aircraft for the entire fleet. I think the Typhoon would be a prefect fit for what we need and what we can afford. The Rafale is also a good choice. If there were a way to convince the Americans to let us have the F-22, that would be the ultimate choice. The F-35 isn't what we need.
Why on earth would the government go after another aircraft who has Boeing written on it?...that is the whole being, that Boeing acted like a bunch of knuckleheads and tickede off the Canadian people.
I agree about wanting to just procure new jets now but the issue is, the F-18's we currently have, even though they were upgraded years ago, are set to have run their course by 2020...to get new jets now would not have delivery till probably 2021-2022
I agree about wanting to just procure new jets now but the issue is, the F-18's we currently have, even though they were upgraded years ago, are set to have run their course by 2020...to get new jets now would not have delivery till probably 2021-2022
Its a great idea. If we purchase fighters from the Europeans we need to get them to provide the necessary infrastructure to manufacture and build them ourselves. The Europeans are much more sophisticated than their counterparts at BUNGING. I want whats best for my country. Not some screwy idea an American weapons salesperson has. I believe we know what is best for Canada. We have had enough of the B.S. and now we are changing the game and the rules to their absolute horror. Meanwhile the rest of the the civilized world is cheering us on. For Embraer...be careful who you sleep with, you could wind up with a little present that just keeps on giving and is very hard to get rid of.
You are forgetting that neither the Aussi hornets or the new ones were ever meant to replace the current CF-18s. They are meant as a stop-gap until they get their acts together and get new planes to replace the aging fleet.
Actually, Roch, new 1's were meant to replace the aging fleet..it isn't just their acts that need attention but that the current fleet will have run its course by 2020.
As you see in my reply to Nick, even procuring new jets within the next year, means delivery wont start till 2021-2022..and I don't think those old girls can take it.
As you see in my reply to Nick, even procuring new jets within the next year, means delivery wont start till 2021-2022..and I don't think those old girls can take it.
If that is the case, why are they dragging their feet on making a decision for the replacement of the entire fleet? The longer they wait, the worse the situation will become.
They have been for years I guess but first it was suppose to be the F-35 and that was agreed upon, with deliveries starting, I believe, in 2018. However when the cost of the thing went through the roof, it got squashed (they to us listened for once)...then the deal was in the works for the Boeing Super Hornet, that would have started replacing the fleet in 2019...but Boeing buggered that all up...now have to go through bidding procurement all over again..I like the Gripen, Typhoon isn't too bad but a tad overpriced.
Yes, that is all true. However, I can't believe that there wasn't a plan B for an alternate aircraft if the F-35 didn't pan out. Surely somebody who evaluated what was being offered had an alternative in mind. If not, they should be fired. Now that we know that the F-35 isn't suitable to our needs and budget and we can't deal with Boeing we should immediately look elsewhere. I like the Typhoon and the Rafale. The Gripen is a single engine aircraft so much of my objection to it is based on that.
Remember..we have had 2 separate government entities...and procuring a new jet just isnt a shot in the dark thing...now that we have basically told Boeing off, I imagine the works are on to get the bid process going for a new jet.
As far as versatility, logistics and cost,the Gripen wins hands down..single engine vs double is, to me, like comparing a twin to 4 engine jet..the twins (Gripen) have provem they can hang with the big dogs (Typhoon, Rafale)...single engine but speed is almost identical, thou the Typhoon can carry more and with sunard tanks, go further.
I still place the Gripen above the Typhoon as I don't think the Typhoon is worth over double what a Gripen is and costs more to fuel etc.
http://gripen4canada.blogspot.ca/p/how-the.html compare all 5..1 thing it doesnt show is how the Gripen can land in 300m or less, refuel and reload in short time, and only take 2-3 personal to load it...that and it is the only fighter that has rough field capability (In this comparison)
As far as versatility, logistics and cost,the Gripen wins hands down..single engine vs double is, to me, like comparing a twin to 4 engine jet..the twins (Gripen) have provem they can hang with the big dogs (Typhoon, Rafale)...single engine but speed is almost identical, thou the Typhoon can carry more and with sunard tanks, go further.
I still place the Gripen above the Typhoon as I don't think the Typhoon is worth over double what a Gripen is and costs more to fuel etc.
http://gripen4canada.blogspot.ca/p/how-the.html compare all 5..1 thing it doesnt show is how the Gripen can land in 300m or less, refuel and reload in short time, and only take 2-3 personal to load it...that and it is the only fighter that has rough field capability (In this comparison)
And to complement rapidwolve's comment,, this is very very much about politics. However I do want to mention, and perhaps here I deviate from his perspective, is that the decision will also include the commercial element in terms of upside for Canada (ie: jobs). And finally, IMHO, all the fighters in question are effective deterrents/killing machines (must avoid this being a military holiday wish list looking for the fanciest toy paid by taxpayers) and this is about getting most bang for the buck. (pun intended ;-{).
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