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MH370: New report suggests plane dived rapidly, rejects 'controlled descent' theory

A new report by Australian investigators into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 suggests the aircraft's flaps were not extended when it crashed, effectively ruling out the possibility of a controlled descent into the Indian Ocean. An analysis of data associated with the plane's final communications to and from the satellite was also "consistent with the aircraft being in a high and increasing rate of descent at that time", the Australian Transport Safety… ( More...

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Tom Bruce 4
someday...somewhere... they'll find it.. until then? speculation...
Torsten Hoff 2
It is not unreasonable to conclude from the lack of shear damage on the recovered flap panel that the flaps were never deployed prior to impacting the water. It also seems unlikely that the crew who had been flying the plane towards the middle of nowhere for hours (either intentionally or due to incapacitation) would put the aircraft in a landing configuration at the last minute.
lynx318 1
Doubtful, File will probably end up stored in same filing cabinet as Amelia Earhart...sadly.
linbb 0
I agree as its just more worthless news until there is a firm conclusion which will only be reached by flight recorders. Probably never as its down all killed in the crash, rest in peace is my wish at this time.
Trouble is, this crash may never be completely 'solved' to everyone's satisfaction. If, say, the crew oxygen bottle exploded and caused the data failures and crew incapacitation, all we're going to hear on the CVR is a period of silence before increasing windscreen noise and end of recording. This scenario might not be enough for some.
Dear friend themadDutchman , IMHO the investigations are not conducted for the "satisfaction" of people.
Investigation is an objective activity while satisfaction is highly subjective.
Mostly the main objective is future oriented.
Past and present are just corollaries.
I agree, hence my putting solved in quotes. My comment was meant not as a lament but as an observation. Regardless the outcome in this investigation, I feel that we'll probably never fully know what happened to MH370. Our sensationalist hungry media and public will no doubt have a difficult time with this.
I do agree it is a very high percentage some people will never be satisfied. Even a FDR covering cockpit switching/settings, compression, door activation, flight parameters etc will not say who. Yes a two hour loop unless under very extreme luck of someone seeing things to the end making identifiable voices, will just confirm cockpit/aircraft noises.

Either way the blood money books and conjecture have tainted Zaharie as the culprit regardless of who. As for oxy or mechanical unlikely as associated avionics critical to flight would be damaged and since the aircraft was navigated through way-points, turns and altitude changes someone was in control.
Speculation vs approximation vis-a-vis probability .
Jim DeTour 1
When it happened I found info on 2 pallets over 2 tons of lithium polymer (Lipo) batteries in the hold. The bad part was 1 of the pallets was broken down and boxes stuck however in the cargo hold. Those batteries will end making a fire if bent, uneven charge between layers, water or banged on or if the battery just feels like combusting. With the Note7 I have to wonder if its the same manufacturer besides wondering if rough cargo handling dooming the flight. Like you'd figure lithium gas is poisonous. This youtube video shows one just sitting around going off. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a 1 or worse yet like the flight 2 tons of them.
Any fire scenario is negated as it is either a small nothing or takes down whole aeroplane within a significantly short period. Aside from compromising structural areas it eventually compromises the pressure hold. Then there is 7 hours controlled flight. Yes there is a big thing about carrying lithium batteries dead or alive as they power everything from phones to lawnmowers so now the shipping lines have the issue.
Marc Dunand 1
Yes, yes indeed Tom.
Cliff Johnson 0
Not to change the subject but has anyone heard anything about the Egyptair that disappeared in the Med a few months ago? Last I heard, Egypt had the recorders but nothing since. Last time I asked, I was flamed for suggesting Egypt would withhold info.
Margeaux K -1
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MH370 Wing Flap Is Clue to Plane's Last Moments

A piece of debris holds a big potential clue, or so finds a new report on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.
Greg Lawson -1
My one issue with all of this is; Considering the area. I find it very difficult to believe this aircraft was not tracked via camera / Radar / Satellite of some sort, that it has not been picked up in say a spy satellite somewhere... or has it and that information is being surpressed. For an aircraft to simply disappear, i could understand for say early 1950's. I find it very difficult to believe in the 2010's. Granted the area they claim it has gone down in is extremely remote part of the Ocean. But, is that simply a cover?. The plane was sending data, surly that could be triangulated as to where come from... I have believed right from the start something is not right with this. No, I do not believe the theory that the pilot or pilots are responsible and i have never believed that. That seems to be the most common response from officials when they have no other answer, Blame the pilots. My only conclusion that makes any sense with lack of anything is that a government is involved... That is the only thing that makes any sense as to lack of information.. my two cents worth. IF you want to take the theory further... who says it even went down where they say or suspect it did... someone is not just "allowing" pieces to be found every now and again to keep interest there....but not vital pieces the pieces found so far cannot add further insite into anything. Also the lack of Debris. seats, cloth etc they float...
The southern Indian Ocean area of flight has no military interests and the only satellite(s) are communications/GPS/weather spectrum. No need for optical spy satellites. Same as the areas in the Atlantic ocean no visual or tracking ability. As for the initial tracking very brief civilian radar spots and Military radar about 40 minutes. Due to the altitude changes, turns, navigational way-points 9M-MRO navigated through and the Inmarsat data, the aircraft was definitely under control by culprit(s).

As for wreckage it was around 14 days searching in the China Sea, initial raw data and pinger drags around the different areas and about the ist arc area - took about a month by the time equipment was flown to Australia and the US and undertaken, then further analysis if Inmarsat data indicated the 7th arc area. From memory they sent a ship out there about 6 days travel.

So a good 8 weeks or more before getting out there. The SIO has circular currents, regular storms so plenty of time for the lighter wreckage to either submerge or drift away and then submerge.

9M-MRO was a healthy aircraft as per the ACARS report prior to not transmitting.
The flight was under control buy whoever.
Easy to understand lack of wreckage by time-frame/ocean currents.
Imarsat data and calculations/satellite/aircraft information is variable and never been purported as being such.

Simply it's best to to divorce from trying to be a psychologist, investigate the very little facts and yes it is a very unique situation.
Greg Lawson 0
No point being a psychologist. that is the and has been the whole problem with this aircraft ... lack of information... I do agree with you that the flight path was either under control or else programmed but either way it was or seems to be a determined flight path that was taken to try and avoid "radar" areas. You are correct it did take a long time to get there, and no, I am not blaming the searchers as well they had to first know where to look. I guess until the flight / data recorders are recovered if they ever are considering the area and chances are they will be covered over on the ocean floor... then we will never ever know exactly what happened. May all those that were on board be resting in peace and also peace for their families. Question though. The flaperon that was found seemed from the photos I saw to be relatively intack. If aircraft had suffered an impact with the ocean and it "ripped" off would there not be shear damage or other damage?? I cannot remember ever reading about what was discovered about the flaperon other than to confirm it was from that aircraft. but it is unique and i guess will remain a mystery for a very long time.
The latest ATSB report does cover a small mention of the Falperon damage and the wing flap. In the end unless it's found and a readable FDR, it's down to nothing new and a final report same as the interim with a bigger summary of the wreckage parts found. Latest ATSB info..
Paul Brugger -2
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MH370: Report suggests flight was not preparing for landing

Wreckage analysis suggests Flight MH370 did not make a controlled descent into the Indian Ocean, says a new report.

The Boeing 777 disappeared while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board in March 2014.

The report from Australian investigators suggests the aircraft's wing flaps were in a "cruise" position when it hit the ocean surface
MH370 -2
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MH370 Made ‘Rapid Descent’ Before Crash

The latest update on the fate of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 by the Australian investigators in charge indicates a rapid decent, possibly after running out of fuel.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said analysis of satellite communications indicated the aircraft was in “a high and increasing rate of descent”.
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