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U.S. FAA confirms Boeing halt to 787 Dreamliner deliveries

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The Federal Aviation Administration said Friday that Boeing had temporarily halted deliveries of 787 Dreamliners as the agency waits for more data to determine if the planemaker's planned inspection method meets federal requirements. "Boeing still needs to show that its proposed inspection method would meet FAA’s federal safety regulations. The FAA is waiting for additional data from Boeing before determining whether the company’s solution meets safety regulations," the FAA said… (www.msn.com) Plus d'info...

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srobak
srobak 11
uhhh... you're only about a thousand airframes too late to start questioning this.
cboginsk
cboginsk 16
Seems like from time to time, some company or organization forgets what their core values are and then flounders with either products or services. Tarnishes their reputstion and has them searching for answers. When that happens across multiple product lines, soemthing has happened to the corporate culture. Seems like the claxon was either ignored or turned off at Boeing. Time for a serious standdown and it starts at the top. It's sad the commentary continues.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 2
Boeing forgot theirs when MacDac bought them with their own money and installed all their Management into Boeing and they wont forget their Failed Ideas.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 22
It's embarrassing that an American company with such an incredible history of innovations and contributions to aviation. Now, they are floundering, and falling down, face first.

It's depressing. It feeds the idea that America is a hollow shell to the rest of the world.

Their problems with the 777X should cause a revolt by their investors, but apparently Boeing's 'management' haven't screwed up enough yet. Give them time...
magic1flying
scott moore 17
It is no longer run on pride and integrity and safety. It's ALL about profit!
bentwing60
bentwing60 11
Kinda' like GE!
rad2
Roger Deeringer 8
Perhaps the real problem is in the investment community, where short term profits are the rage?
RexBentley
Rex Bentley -8
So should turn it over to a bunch of commies to run, well it's almost there.
boughbw
Brian Bough 5
Because communism is known for its safety????
There is an implicit charge that there is profit in cutting corners. There isn't. Had Boeing known of its issues they would have fixed them before they materialized and threatened their company.
The problem in bean counting is the lack of foresight beyond the ledger. Pausing to address this issue is hardly "communism."
SkyAware123
SkyAware123 3
hint: look up sarcasm.
GeorgePepe
George Pepe 0
I expect to see the 777X grounded for about the same time as the MAXs. This just goes to show that airbus is really and truly better.
geckobrah
Ga Za 11
The irony is it would cost Boeing less in the long run if they met requirements or even exceeded requirements from the start, than the bad press and tarnish on the reputation caused by government intervention later. That’s a failure of leadership.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 6
Yes it is. If they were made into an engineering company again, real engineers could fix the issues. They would know, SHOULD know, the ramifications of their designs.

So either Boeing is far too top heavy with bean counters that have way too much power, or they don't have enough engineers left to point out that things won't work as designed.

A machinist I knew said that too many 'young people' (Not, he didn't say communist/liberal/socialist/whatever) think that if the computer says it's good, it's good. A real engineer would look at the thing and find areas where it's not going to work right, not do the job, not effect other parts of the whole plane. At least those were the engineers that the plane companies *had* at one point. Engineering is lacking at Boeing, or there are too many profit driven managers, managing Boeing into a deep hole that will suffocate them.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 3
too many MacDac Mangers in the company that still use their failed ideas to run Boeing and have instilled those into the newer managers. Its all about shareholder happines, that is what drives all.
fritzacooper
Fritz Cooper 5
Boeing has leadership that couldn't differentiate between a glue brush from a Cleco. Put practitioners into leadership and then watch what positive changes result.
bkoskie
Billy Koskie 4
Why not try something different and have the NTSB look into Boeing's safety practices on the 787? A break in the paradigm between FAA and industry might be a possible great learning opportunity. I know it's not the NTSB's purview. But if you want a different result, it requires doing something different.
boughbw
Brian Bough 0
I am interested to know where the 787s in question were built: Washington or South Carolina. I have my suspicions that there is a trend.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 2
I thought all 787 production was in SC.
boughbw
Brian Bough 2
I heard that it might all get moved to SC, but I'm unsure. Boeing states it is being made in Everett as well, but page is undated (link below). Rumor had it that all SC-manufactured 787s made a stop in Everett to fix everything prior to delivery.
https://www.boeing.com/company/about-bca/everett-production-facility.page
chugheset
chugheset 2
It was a rumor started by disgruntled union employees in Everett who were in peril of losing their high-paying jobs to lower paid non-Union employees in SC.
boughbw
Brian Bough 1
Apparently, it was not a rumor.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/business/boeing-787-dreamliner.html
stratofan
stratofan 0
Just like NHTSA with the auto industry, the FAA is into more CYA mode. Bill Lear was correct when he said the FAA was the carbuncle on the backside of aviation! If "guvment" agencies and regulators would work with the industry, (what a novel idea) instead of against them, things would go a lot smoother. Any mass production product will have a glitch, so give Boeing credit for fixing the problem, not ignoring it, like GM.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 6
The problem is, genius, that the FAA DOES work with the industry, and far too often!

The FAA is a 2-headed monster. It is to 'regulate' the industry, and also 'promote' that same industry. It's had a hard time doing both, and occasionally fails at the former because of the later.
stratofan
stratofan 3
I do not claim to be a genius, unlike MH370. You must own stock in Airbus or Generous Mother. I am merely pointing out that far to often the FAA has made serious missteps in their enforcement. Many times political influence is behind it. Of course our MS media is all to willing to pile on an American company, while giving a foreign company, with govt' subsidies a free pass. President Reagan was right when he stated the scariest words spoken are, "I am from the govt', and am here to help."
georgewilhelmsen
George Wilhelmsen -7
Boeing has one of the best safety programs - ever. This looks like an FAA snipe hunt.
boughbw
Brian Bough 13
Boeing deserved the benefit of the doubt before the 737-MAX scandal. They do not deserve it now. I suspect you are correct in saying this looks like the FAA being after a creature of dubious existence, but your claim that Boeing has one of the best safety programs ever can be demonstrated here simply by resolving the issues quickly. There is no harm in pausing at this point just to double-check.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 6
The FAA deserves its knocks. Having two competing functions is really a mess, and depending on what the political winds are, one side outweighs the other.

I have thought that the NTSB should have a much stronger role in regulating the industry as they see what happens, first hand, when the regulated screw it up.

And the FAA has dragged their feet on so many necessary changes and modifications that would make air travel so much safer. Hundreds of recommendations have been ignored, put off, or flat out denied because it's 'too much of a burdon on the carriers'. Just like head rests, and seat belts in cars.

The FAA needs to be tougher with the carriers and manufacturers, but then the next occupant of the White House can just ignore all that and let things slip again. That is an issue in this country: consistency. Agencies have more power under one administration, and are gagged, or compromised with another. It's pretty disgusting, all the political BS that happens. It's damned pathetic...
boughbw
Brian Bough 1
The FAA needs to step out of certification process altogether. They can't afford to hire the kinds of engineers required to structure and oversee certification testing regimes. What I would like to see in its place are engineers drawn from the major manufacturers designing tests, setting baselines, overseeing testing, and reviewing data for all planes going into service as well as for maintenance (as is the case in this article). No engineers serve on a panel reviewing their own company.

Use industry to help regulate industry. Use competition to improve everyone. There is no partisan divide here, so such a proposal should materialize and pass Congress for the benefit of all relatively easily.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 7
Boeing has been extremely LUCKY!

The crap engineering they put into the MAX should be a damned embarrassment to the company. The decisions on the 'fix', and not requiring backup sensors and more training. The COURAGE to tell management that the idea of extending the 737 'one more time' was insane, and needed to be shelved was lacking. If people voiced those opinions from the engineering groups, they weren't listened to by the lofty cloud based management bean counters looking at easy profit by cut and paste.

That more of them didn't crash is almost a miracle. And remembering the 737-200, with the 'dual purpose valve' that caused many crashes. Yeah, Boeing has been VERY lucky. The early issues with batteries in their planes was pure luck too.

Eventually luck runs out, and I don't want to be in, or under, the plane(s) when that happens again.

They are producing planes that fly real live human beings through the air. There isn't much room for error in that process. A lot more attention to detail of the physics and engineering, and way less on the profit would be really greatly appreciated.

Gutting their unions and ignoring the uneducated/inexperienced labor issues is going to bite them in the ass, and more people will needlessly die.

Their luck will run out, and they can't see it yet. Yikes...

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