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United Airlines flight from Glasgow to Newark is cancelled when BOTH pilots are arrested for turning up 'drunk'

They were arrested by police on suspicion of being under the influence of drink or drugs before boarding the United Airlines flight. ( More...

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Kikutwo 11
They didn't want to be crammed into a 757 for that long either.
Mark Kortum 1
Funniest reply of the day!
ian mcdonell 9
This is 2019 - I cannot believe that two professional pilots would do this - but maybe I am naive
bbabis 1
Only 2? There are plenty more and I do not think you are naive.
drivers get DUI's Pilots get FUI's lol
Mark Kortum 1
Second funniest reply of the day.
sparkie624 0
Good one!

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Harold Burton 3
Once had a Captain was given second chance after rehab. Went back to the bottle and the F/As reported him. Fired immediately!
Marta Brodsky 5
I cannot believe what I'm reading. Not that these two yo-yos had alcohol in their system but that the limit in the US is .04% BAC. Really??? .06% is considered impaired for driving a car. .08% is intoxicated. As a former prosecutor, I am horrified. There should be a zero tolerance for commercial airline pilots. Period. No excuses.
The 0.04 rule is only one of two rules and it is meant to backstop the main FAA rule that ZERO alcohol can be consumed by a pilot for 8 hours before a flight. Many US airlines require 12 hours under their disciplinary rules. It is possible, if enough alcohol is consumed, depending on the person, to follow the 8 hour or 12 rule and break the 0.04 limit, but you can’t do it with just 2-3 drinks at dinner more than 8 or 12 hours before a flight. Most pilots (since they don’t carry a breathalyzer with them) follow the 8 hour rule (or 12 hour rule if their airline has that). These pilots that are getting arrested are obviously forgetting that if you truly “tie one on” (binge drink) that 8-12 hours may not be enough for the alcohol to get out of your system. (Which also indicates that they probably have a drinking problem). I have a private pilot certificate in the US and when I was both still drinking and flying (don’t do either one now) I used a 24 hour rule. Also, my flight school trained is well about safety and if I felt less than 100% well, for any reason, I would fly. Of course, it wasn’t my job, so I could err on the conservative side. More training is obviously needed to catch these problem pilots - including training other employees to see the warning signs and encourage them to report them because an alcoholic is not going to self-report.
Typo — I meant if I was not 100%, I would *NOT* fly.
David Rice 1
The limit is actually .04% PLUS 8 hours “bottle to throttle”.
Mark Kortum -2
I wonder how many joints they are allowed to take onto the flight deck? Maybe just one each.
Edw Sanderson 3
Is that supposed to be funny ?
“Turning up drunk”, “too drunk to fly” these are sensationalized statements that perhaps don’t tell the complete story. Being drunk and having residual blood alcohol from the previous nights beer are different. Unfortunately for this crew their BAC exceeded the country’s limit which is 50% more restrictive than the US FAA limit. Granted, some countries limits are zero BAC which is 100% more restrictive the the USA limit of .04, so the safest course of action for airline pilots on a layover is don’t drink at all because the consequences may be life changing.
I agree. And it doesn’t stop there. Even away from the controls, a DUI will alter the course of a career in an instant. It can also prevent one from ever taking off if you can’t get the required medical rating for your license. The FAA will find out eventually and you’d be lucky to max out as a regional Captain.
David Rice 1
What part of “eight hours bottle to throttle + .04%” is hard to understand?
In 1980 I was crewing a H34 helicopter for the Indian Oil Company flying crews from shore to about 30 miles out to the drill ship. The Indian pilot of a 748 often flew into the airport at Vijayawada DRUNK. I learned that was not a rare thing with India Air pilots. The police finally took him away in handcuffs after he turned too sharply "at speed " after landing and collapsed the right gear.I would NEVER fly on Air India.
bbabis 1
After 40 years maybe its time to give them another chance.
bbabis 2
Breathalyzers are cheap compared to what they can save you. If you drink at all, it is easy to check.
Lars Hallberg 2
Reminds me of the "good old days" of NWA. One incident caused years of passengers asking for "whatever the captain is having". I guess the DC-10 scared the pilots almost as much as the passengers. Apparently abstinence and celibacy are still rare in the aviation world. I'm all for stiff penalties but with a path to reinstatement. Some sort of flight crew screening will cover both alcohol and cannabis.
cyberjet 1
Lyle Prousse and his crew were the most famous example from NWA's "good old days". Lyle's story is also an inspiring example of how one can fall pretty far but with the help of many others, recover and lead a meaningful life.
Jeff Barkesfa 3
Did anyone else see this was their SECOND OFFENSE on the same route???? No sympathy from me! Frist time I would have a little, second time, no way, enjoy what is coming!
cutler boughn 8
"Remarkably, the incident comes three years after two OTHER United Airlines pilots were arrested for being drunk before flying the Glasgow Airport to Newark route."
strickerje 0
Thanks for catching that - headline left out the word “other” (implying it was the same pilots), and it’s easy to miss that sentence in the article since it’s in the middle of a long paragraph.
sparkie624 -3
I noticed it was the 2nd.. Did not pay attention to the routing... WOW, Good Catch.
John OConnor 1
Like the old days when flight crew and attendants when out for a night of partying and dragged themselves to the plane for checkin hung over.
jcw1953 1
Looks like we may have to install Interlocking devices in the cockpit.......
blow in and see if you are at 0.00
jcw1953 1
You think the Scottish Whiskey manufacturer will have a complaint filed that
that it did not say on the label you should not try to fly an aircraft if you had
any of our product in the past 72 hours?
Well it's Ireland ? Not a way to end the career ...
Dan Pempel 4
Do the Scots know that Ireland took over Glasgow?
Airport must have special system as test for all air staff not only pilots , so may could save staff, passengers and planes also decrease aircraft incidents.
Richard Fox 1
More reasons for a pilotless future no doubt...
bbabis 8
More truth than you think to that. When pilots used to actually fly planes they knew they could not have any impairment and used much better judgement.
Bryan Jensen 1
Richard Fox 0
As sarcastic as I was trying to be, I think the writing is on the wall for "professional" pilots...
Richard Fox 4
Kinda happy my son is studying cyber security somehow...
sparkie624 7
UGH.. I think I would rather fly with a Drunk than to risk it all on a computer... What happens when systems fail... I mean really... What are we going to have... An Automatic Pilot?
wbchrisoh74 7
You have a good point. I still think I prefer a sober one though <grin>
Just a little "bracer" before facing New York traffic control.😎
jhakunti 1
the day humans are to dumb and or intoxicated to fly airplanes is the day it all needs to end for humams.
bbabis 1
Wasn’t this just the case?
Chris B 1
There should never be an occasion for this to happen. OR never be a second occasion as the FAA should yank their licenses.
royalbfh 1
can someone point out where this is the second time for this crew? I see another crew on this route in 2016 and a different crew headed to Toronto.
jhakunti 4
this is the first time for that crew. some people's reading comprehension isn't that great.
royalbfh 5
Also, one image shows two pilots and say that they were released because the blood samples were destroyed, later says that they were convicted. And one of the crew was Air Transat. Horrible reporting and writing
ToddBaldwin3 8
Par for the course when it comes to the Daily Mail.
Mark Kortum 3
Par for the course when it comes to almost all reporting. Drama and speed matter, not facts.
sparkie624 1
This is bad... Giving everyone in the Industry a bad name.... Through the Book at them!
David Rice 0
Or maybe even “throw” the book at them. Simple spelling errors portend a sooner collapse of society than does drinking.
So it seems that the air crews flying into "The land of fine whiskey" can't wait to enjoy the whiskey that they buy in duty free until they get home. They must think that it's ok to pull a "Pappy Boyington in an F4U".
patrick baker 0
much of these pilots future just went down a scottish toilet, as if they did not know better. The immediate future is jail, trial, imprisonment, and a bus ride back to the UNited States, no more flying, economic uncertainty, and years of questioning and regret. Love my beer, love flying, can never mix the twain. Are the airlines going to be forced to install drunk detector interlocks such as convicted drunk drivers are forced to install on their autos, locking the car if impairment is detected? Let's get Boeing working on this right away.
Seth Stoll 8
I dunno, Boeing has a lot of other stuff to fix first...

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Cansojr 0
Please breath into this tube for 10 seconds and keep going till I say stop.
Cansojr 1
Incidentally you just blew your career away.
matt jensen -1
"The limit for alcohol in the breath for pilots specified as 9 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres - less than half the 22 microgrammes limit for drivers in Scotland."

Apparently, Scotland is a tad more relaxed when it comes to drinking and aviation.
I guess they never heard of ZERO TOLERANCE
Bryce Johnson 4
They're actually more strict than the U.S. just like the rest of Europe. Blowing a .02 is a hangover...

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matt jensen 7
get a life troll
Just another reason to add to my list of reasons I never fly United is at all possible.
Iain Girling 0
Whatever happened to the old adage of “at least twelve hours between bottles and throttles” ?
David Rice 1
It was lowered to eight hours.
George Cottay 0
Does anyone know how carriers and airports detect this problem?

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jhakunti 0
wow, a Delta Airlines pilot was arrested last week for reporting to duty drunk. I guess they just don't care. Alcohol is the most important thing for them.
With the shortage of experience pilots on the horizon they might not get fired but if they loose a months pay thats still about $11,000 for an international crew/
sparkie624 -8
Alcohol is a chemical that grabs a hold of people... In my opinion, I would like to see it banned, but I know that is impossible.. We have proof of that from Prohibition... It is nice to know that these few will never be allowed to fly for an airline ever again, and some never to fly again...
and the union will support these 2 professionals.
sparkie624 1
As much as I hate to say it...... they have no choice... They pay dues to get protection as well... No different than a Drunk Driver hiring a Lawyer!
freedman6469 -2
I am wary of flying United.
That is valid statement for every Airline in the world, and has absolutely nothing to with a particular Airline or culture. Dig on ....

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This is absolutely unbelievable. I wonder how many times pilot drinking goes unnoticed .
Very sad . I won't fly. Not ever. I have flown only 4 times coast to coast and only one was problem free.
cyberjet 1
Then you'd best find a padded room and stay in it, because your chance of dying in an airplane flown by an intoxicated crew is much less than many other ways of dying on a daily basis.


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