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New seats let airlines squeeze in more passengers

Soumis
 
It's not your imagination. There really is a tighter squeeze on many planes these days. The big U.S. airlines are taking out old, bulky seats in favor of so-called slimline models that take up less space from front to back, allowing for five or six more seats on each plane. (www.usatoday.com) Plus d'info...

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MimosaDrive
MimosaDrive 2
I loved the line - "airlines say the new seats are just as comfortable".
Fourpawphoto
Just another way to screw the customer.
shellyxd
shellyxd 1
You'd think they would have reached the critical point of this aspect by now...from the customer's perspective, there must be more effective ways to save money.
siriusloon
siriusloon 4
But people keep buying tickets and the airlines know they will, so they can continue to do this kind of thing. Where else will the passengers go? Greyhound? Amtrak? Hitchhike? The customers' perspective is of no concern to the airlines because they have a monopoly on long-distance travel. Boycotting them means you don't go anywhere.

Even if a few airlines provided more room than all the others, most people, when offered a choice of 2" more legroom for X amount of dollars more, will decide they can tough it out for a few hours for the cheaper fare. There is no incentive to the airlines to stop squeezing in more people -- except in First Class, but to have that much space, you pay a small fortune.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Unfortunately, you are so correct. When considering a trip from either coast to the other one, 4-5 hours vs 2-3 days by bus or train at a nearly equal price, there is no choice. My kids elected to drive awhile back from AR to West TX and comparable airline fare was about $1200 for both of them on short notice. Their trip cost was within $20 of being the same. The difference was that it took them 15 hours one way and they were wasted, needing a couple of days to rest up for the return. Flight time would have been about 4 hrs.
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I see nothing to complain about. If given a choice, many if not most passengers will choose the cheapest airfare without regard to differences between airlines. So airlines have to be able to compete for these lowest fare passengers. Airlines are also increasingly offering plus and premium seating options for those willing to pay for them.

That's a free choice in an open marketplace. Folks don't have to choose between the bus and an expensive airplane seat alone. With a greater variety of aircraft seating, they can add a lower cost airplane seating option to the mix.

And if some airline's seats are indeed much less comfortable than others, they'll lose some passengers to other carriers. So there is an incentive to make the seats as comfortable as possible as they're redesigning the concept of the airplane seat and making them lighter and less bulky.
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They've only recently actually begun significantly reducing weight and bulkiness of seats with the current cycle of seat upgrades.

If the seat is 2 inches less thick, you should be able to reduce pitch about 2 inches without altering legroom significantly. But you'll be able to add row(s) of additional seats.

Some redesigned seats may actually provide more legroom by moving the magazine pocket above the IFE screen and not keep it down where it interferes with passengers' knees.
preacher1
preacher1 3
Well in dry weight, Southwest is netting a reduction of 976lbs and gaining space for 6 pax.
That ain't chicken feed when you spread that across the fleet and they said 1200lbs on that Airbus
mldavis2
Mike Davis 1
I am a fairly trim 6'4" male. Seat width shouldn't be an issue, but it is because two people cannot possibly share an armrest that is 2" wide - someone loses that battle of elbows.

But the real issue for me is legroom. Southwest up to now has afforded the best knee room in coach with about 2" between my knees and the seat back frame in front of me. I used to always fly Southwest whenever possible for that reason and their somehow more efficient boarding routines. But if Southwest begins reducing that knee room, I'm gone.

On most planes, I can easily prevent the person in from of me from reclining the seat simply by sitting in a normal position which wedges my knees against the seat back frame. This has the added advantage of keeping their unwashed hair out from under my nose. The other side of that coin is that I never recline my own seat if there is someone directly behind me unless they are a very small person.

If airlines are insistent on making me pay for my anatomical limitations in order to acquire adequate seating space, then they should also be requiring passengers to pay according to weight and have extra wide seating available to keep these people from encroaching into my paid space. Seat design engineers always fly first-class - bet on it.
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JetBlue is also known for their generous legroom in coach. Have you had the opportunity to fly them?

As far as the new seats, they're thinner. So they would provide more legroom and/or allow your long frame to fit with less seat pitch.

Extra wide folks have been regularly requested to purchase 2 seats.

If you din't fit in seats for mere mortals, you should consider regularly paying fir and flying in Econony Plus seating, where fir a few more bucks, you xan sit comfortably without your knees impacting on the seat in front of you, nor impacting the comfort if the passenger seated immediately in front of you. Preventing other passengers from reclining when they've paid for a reclining seat ib obnoxious.

Don't make your leg length problem a problem for other passengers. Put yourself in a situation where your comfort and the comfort of the person in front of you are not at odds.

I would be the guy that would jam my seat harder, when the seat does not seem to be working properly, not realizing that you would be holding the seat back with your knees. That happened to me a few years ago. Now I understand why.

The seat did recline. But now I understand why the guy was screaming bloody murder, and mumbling about his knees. He may have been trying to block the recline.

Since then I try to check/ communicate my intention to recline, if I meet any resistance, as pitch as been decreasing. But I wouldn't interfere with my comfort because the other guy refused to pay for a appropriately sized seat to ensure his own comfort.
MimosaDrive
MimosaDrive 0
"Don't make your leg length problem a problem for other passengers". Really?
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Each passenger should pay for exactly how much room they want or need without interfering intentionally with the normal use if their own seat.

I chech seat guru for each flight, to make sure I get a recline seat. I look after my own comfort. Each other passenger should do the same.

The longer legged should choose first row in section, the seat immediately behind the exit row, etc., where their desire to not have a passenger in front reclining doesn't interfere with a passenger who has every intention of reclining.

The seats are uncomfortable enough already. The recline is the only little bit of comfort I get. I shouldn't have to give it up because of someone else's lack of planning, or refusal to pay fir their own comfort.
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Each passenger should pay for exactly how much room they want or need without interfering intentionally with the normal use of someone else's own seat.
mldavis2
Mike Davis 1
Very, very seldom do I have the option to actually choose my seat. For example, I recently flew from KTUL on American (737) to KDFW, then KDFW on Emerites (777) to Dubai, then Dubai (737) to Kathmandu and back. The reservations were made way back in March 2013. Both American legs had a flight change and aircraft change (737 to 757) before the flight. Boarding passes and hence seat assignments were made at the terminal and were not available online prior to the flight, though I tried. Most flights today are full and overbooked.

As far as restricting other persons comfort, I have no choice. I cannot make my knees shorter and if I am seated in a normal position and there is no room for the person in front to recline, there is no way I can accommodate that desire. Sorry. It's not a matter of choice. His/her gripe is with the airlines, not with the passengers. I pay for my seat and happen to use all of my space, which does not exclude encroachment from in front.
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I can empathize with your predicament, especially as seat pitch gets continuously smaller.

But given that your dimensions are much larger than the 'typical' passenger that the seat designers use to design the seats and plan the cabin pitch, I highly recommend taking extraordinary measures to plan for sufficient legroom. That can and should include anything from paying for upgrades to seats with sufficient legroom to choosing airlines that routinely provide more legroom.

That would mean choosing airlines such as Southwest and JetBlue, and EconomyPlus or better on the majors. Many airlines are now providing at least some sears with more legroom. If I were you, I would refuse to fly any airline that would not offer some seats can accommodate your frame, either because all seats have enough legroom or because you can guarantee yourself in advance a properly fitting seat, either by paying for it or because of your status.

Good luck. Hope you can fly in comfort on every leg (pardon the pun).
preacher1
preacher1 1
He is kinda screwed when an equipment change is made though, as far as seat assignments go. They don't really take that into consideration when they do an equipment change. LOL
mldavis2
Mike Davis 2
I live in an area where there is minimal choice of airlines going to frequent destinations (to see family). Fares are non-competitive out of the closest airport for me (KXNA which is a big WalMart International business hub) so I must drive over 100 miles to the next nearest airport KTUL or KMCI. I cannot afford to fly first class as I am retired and on fixed income. I have driven two long hard days to the east coast in lieu of air travel, but that isn't cost effective, either. So, yes, it sucks to be me. I know how the Jews must have felt enroute to Auschwitz in the cattle cars. And my options are growing slimmer by the day as my own time is running out.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Economy Comfort is quite comfortable and does not cost as much as first. I fly that way all the time. Biggest difference is the size of the seat and no free alcohol.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Bad as I hate to say it, if you are flying out of KXNA, you may want to look at something over ORD rather than DFW. There are some directs out of there on 2-3 carriers but I am not sure about connections. Most anything out of KXNA though will be on an RJ of some type so choice other than exit row or bulkhead is out the window for you.
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Over the next couple if years, the majors plan to install some version of Economy Plus on most of their aircraft. That will be a great solution when JetBlue or Southwest are not available at your airports of choice.

Also paying a couple of extra bucks for seat selection is highly recommended when Economy Plus is unavailable on your flight, nor an airline that gives everyone extra legroom.

Good luck with your travels.
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You can also consider something unorthodox, like flying Spirit or Allegiant.

On Sprit, you could could the 'Big Seats' or with Allegiant, you could pay $9.99 to choose your seats and pick the exit row or bulkhead seats. It may mean that you'd be connecting though a Florida leisure destination, but if it's cheap and gives you the legroom that you require.

So, it seems that if you look in to it, you should be able to find many solutions to get you where you're going without cramping your style or someone else's, and without breaking the bank.

Hope the many solutions that have been offered help.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
The problem that I see is when you squeeze more POS's into seats. The seats may be getting lighter, but the PAX aren't! I know when I sit down in a seat first thing that goes down is the arm rest. If they cannot fit it is not my problem... I saw one time 3 double wide POS's in seat A, B, and C of the same row.... LOL, that was mission impossible. That asked me if I would swap for a B seat and I told them that there was no way I was going to get suck into that.

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